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General Category => General Discussions => Topic started by: nescafe37 on February 09, 2011, 08:57:31 pm
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Well i thought i better start showing people my progress on my cockpit build
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Here is a video of me testing the gauges on the bench using GT Legends
Alfa156 gauges (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiFFWP9rqT0)
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Hi Chris.
Thank you for sharing.
It looks very promising. Keep us up to date.
I have fix the link to your Youtube video.
Thanks
Cristiano
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Hi Chris :)
Indeed, looking very good! Nice and compact too :) Look forward to seeing more!
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small update
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Coming on well, Chris, keep the pics coming :)
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well i have painted it now but i have still got to sort out some switches and buttons...a keyboard tray...a mouse platform..install the SPI-D..install the SimScreen.and finally my handbrake....i painted the interior of the cockpit black and done the outside in a dark green pearlesent...it doesnt show up to well in the pics but you will get the idea..
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Nice,nice ;)
When I finish my cockpit I post some pics ;D (hope soon)
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well i have got a few more things to fit
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here is a short video of my dashboard working with dirt2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Ez2KXXGSg
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It's awesome!! Congrats for your incredible work ;)
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another quick video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zacTpFmxwWk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zacTpFmxwWk)
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Hi
yes great job impressive.how can we gauge operated with 1 revburner?
Eric
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added a carbon fibre centre console with my Simscreen installed and switches
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how do u connect the switches and it is to put tachos on the simulator?
Do you have some measurements of your cockpit i want to make something similar?
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fairplay that is awesome work!!!
I have a Gamepod GT2 Evo and am considering whether or not to under take some similar that can be built around the gamepod. How hard is to wire up the Alfa clocks etc
Any help advice would be appreciated
Smudge
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very easy to do mate....as there only 3 wires you need to connect for each dial....if you end up getting the same let me no and i will help all i can ;)
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how would you connect some water and oil tachos. IS it possible?
RPM tacho just connects with rev burner correct?
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the tacho and the speedo connect to 2 rev burners....at the moment the dials in the centre of the dash only light up and are not functioning yet..
more pics
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thanks
is there any specific clocks to choose or stay away from???
Smudge
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Hello Smudge.
Every dashboard is a different story because the connections are different. It might be possible some models not even work, but I am not aware of any at the moment.
When asked what model of dashboard to use, I always suggest the Alfa 156, like the one you see in this thread, because it looks good, easy to connect and you can ask me or nescafe37 the details of the connections.
Cheers
Cristiano
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yup what christiano says smudge... ;D
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I'm using a Honda CRX Del Sol cluster for my setup.
Both gauges work, and most importantly they go up to 9000 RPM (Actually 9500), and 240Kp/h for the tachometer and the speedometer respectively.
I have noticed the RevBurners get somewhat hot during use, though that's probably because the entire cluster draws power from them.
It's also an older dash, so it has a mechanical odometer. The motor for this could be a bit power hungry for the regulators.
Christiano, I'm thinking of connecting the gauges to an external power supply so the RevBurners only provide signal. Will this be safe if I use an unregulated supply? And should I use a common ground?
Also, I'd like to suggest a forum topic (Sticky?) where people can post compatible or incompatible clusters/gauges, so they don't have to throw away money on incompatible ones.
For example, I purchased a Toyota Celica T18 cluster, which turns out to have a mechanical speedo. The tach does work however.
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Hello.
The rev burner's heat dissipator gets hot because a full dashboard requires a lot more power than a simple rev counter.
You can either replace the dissipator with a bigger one or use an external power supply.
If you want to use an external power supply, at the bottom of this page:
http://www.symprojects.com/faq/power-supplies/
you will find how to connect everything together.
The power supply should be regulated at 12V, 3A should be ok.
something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Jewel-JS-12030-2E-12V-3A-AC-DC-power-adapter-equiv-/260686553835?pt=Laptop_Adapters_Chargers&hash=item3cb22122eb
I was already thinking about a page to share information on which dashboards work well with the rev burner. I will do it soon. I have the dashboard from a Ford Mondeo and I will describe how to make the connections.
Thanks
Cristiano
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Just to check would these clocks be ok??
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280650705919
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yes they will work fine mate...just make sure they are from a petrol model car as the rev counter will go up to 8000rpm then mate
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cheers fella
ok, ive ordered the clocks and a dashboard. what other stuff do i need now, want the clocks working and a gear indicator?
thanks
Smudge
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Hi.
nescafe37 will confirm but I think those clocks work fine with the small power supplies available on the website.
You need two, one for each rev burner.
Cheers
Cristiano
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yeah the clocks will run on the power supplies available on the website mate... ;)
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Hi all,
Let me introduce myself, I'm bonjourno38, I'm French and I don't speak English very well. I discovered what could be done a few years ago with the beta innovations products and I came across your products that seem very interesting for me. I already have an SLI-PRO from Leobodnar, but I'm interesting by a real dashboard for going with that.
I'm a fan of Alfa Roméo too, and I'm wan't to ask some questions before buy anything.
To begin, I'm wan't to get a dashboard from GTV 2.0TB, and I would like to know if you think it would be compatible with the revburner ?
-I would also like to know where I could get the wiring diagrams of these dashboard ?
-Are the power supplies sold on site will suffice to operate the dashboard and Revburner ?
-Is what I could for example run some lights on the dashboard as additional diodes for SLI ?
-Could you help me make the connections properly?
I thanks you for your great work and thank you in advance for any help you can give me.
Bye.
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Hello.
- The dashboard of the GTV should be ok but I haven't tested it personally, but because other Alfa Romeos' dashboards worked fine I suppose also this will.
- In general the power supplies available on the website are too small for a full dashboard. you should get a 12V 3A (or more) from Ebay (or other places). For example:
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_nkw=12v+3a+power+supply (http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_nkw=12v+3a+power+supply)
The picture at the bottom of this page:
http://www.symprojects.com/faq/power-supplies/ (http://www.symprojects.com/faq/power-supplies/)
describes how to connect the power supply to the rev burners and to the dashboard
- Making the connections is the most challenging part of the project. You have to find where on the dashboard the 12V, ground, revs and speed signals connect. When working with other models I managed to download from internet some sort of service manuals in PDF which gave me a basic understanding of the connectors on the back of the dashboard. Apart from this, it is a trial and error process. If you can't make it work, the usual suggestion is to take the dashboard, remove the speedometer and tachometer motors and replace them with the ones from a couple of cheap rev counters you can buy on Ebay.
- Regard the lights, the new "Pro Shift" board available soon will let you drive up to 16 leds, which you can use to replace the lights of the dashboard. You can make other nice things like a led bar to display revs or led indicators for fuel/oil...
Cheers
Cristiano
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Hi,
To begin, thanks for your very fast answer. But I have bad news for you, your answers have led to further questions from me ;D.
I have seen the wiring diagrams of a power supply. But I don't Understand something...
-How can I plug the + or - of the power supply to the Revburners ???!!!!
Because the power supply is sell with an adaptor 2.1mm or 5.5mm. I want you explain that to me, because I'm not a professional in electronics.
-If I wan't to find the good connections on the back of the Dashboard, how can I do ? I should test with a multimeter?
I hope that my English isn't too bad.
Thanks a lot for the creation of Revburners !!!! And for the help you give to me.
Bye.
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Hello.
Usually you would connect the power supply to the black connector (DC in the picture) near the usb socket.
But because the power requirements for a dashboard often exceed the Rev Burner's capabilities, the power supply must be connected like in the picture.
In the picture the positive and negative wires from the power supply are connected to the orange screw terminal on the Rev Burner. It is visible in this picture on the right hand side of the board:
http://www.symprojects.com/shop/images/53
Regard finding the connection of the dashboard, I suggest to proceed in this way: first take the 12V and ground wires from the power supply and experiment with the dashboard until it turns on (the fuel gauge will move, some lights will switch on). if you don't have any documentation or manuals the only options is to try avery single connectors until something happens.
Next is the RPM signal from the rev burner. In the Rev Burner configuration screen in SimDash generate a test rpm signal and test every connector on the dashboard until you find the one which make the tachometer move. If it doesn't work try and move the "12V-5V" jumper on the rev burner to the "12V" position. This generates a "stronger" signal for the dashboard.
To the same for the speed signal, using the second rev burner.
I know it is not very scientific but if you have no information about your dashboard there isn't anything else you can do.
Cheers
Cristiano
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Hello,
Thanks for your answers, but I have some other questions for you today:
-How can I find the wires + and - of the power supply if there is a 2.1mm or 5.5mm plug ? I should cut the wire before that plug ?
-If I test on all the single connectors, I will not break the dashboard ?
-Can you give me photos of your different installations (particulary the revburners photos and the 156 dashboard) ?
Thanks for your fast answers... Soon I'll be able to order my 2 revburners With your help fast.
Bye.
Cordially, Florian.
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I'd like to offer a few potential answers.
You can find the polarity(+ and -) by using a multimeter.
Set it to volts, stick one test lead inside the plug, and hold the other to the body. If the it indicates a negative voltage, you have the polarity wrong(So switch the red and black leads around).
Most power supplies also have this symbol on the label(without the text):
(http://www.symprojects.com/wp-content/polarity.jpg)
If yours doesn't, use a multimeter to be sure.
Of course, if you don't have a female connector for the 2.1/5.5mm plug to fit into, cutting it off and connecting the wires directly will work just fine. Provided you're not planning to use the power supply for something else.
Otherwise, if you have a local electronics shop, you could ask them for a 2.1/5.5mm socket. 2.1mm is a common connector, so they'd probably have it in stock.
If you'd like to find out the dashboard connections, try this service manual (http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/3546814-post12.html). I haven't checked because it's a large file, but chances are the connections/pinout are listed in there.
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im trying to source a manual for you.
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here you go.
http://starcroft.org/alfa/GTV-Manual-Searchable.zip (http://starcroft.org/alfa/GTV-Manual-Searchable.zip)
its 300mb file...
hope it helps
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Hello,
Thank you for all your answers, I think I don't have other questions for the moment.
I thank you a lot for your help, I expect to have the dashboard and after I order my revburners.
If I have other questions, I will post here later...
@Nescafe and Mortos: Thanks for the manual of the GTV.
PS: Nescafe, can you post others photos with the plug on the Revburners ?
A+.
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Hello,
I have others questions for you:
-If I use an external 12V, 3A power supply for supply the Dashboard, Should I supply the revburners with other 500mA power supplies via their DC outputs ?
-A power supply 3A/12V does she not give too power for a dahsboard? That is will not to break him ?
Thanks for answers.
Bye.
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Great job nescafe looks the nuts. By the way have you seen the wheel adaptor offered by chillicoke? It allows you to fit standard momo wheels on a G25/27. I got one before my rev burners because I prefer the feel of a full size wheel but the other advantage is a full size wheel won't cover your dials... Just wondered if you'd seen it. You don't need to make any perminant changes so you can always switch back if you don't like it. He also does larger paddle shifters if you want these to go with your larger wheel. Google chillicoke and it should come up.
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yeah i seen them matey and decided to make my own adapter as chillcoke are not cheap ;)
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Hello,
I have others questions for you:
-If I use an external 12V, 3A power supply for supply the Dashboard, Should I supply the revburners with other 500mA power supplies via their DC outputs ?
-A power supply 3A/12V does she not give too power for a dahsboard? That is will not to break him ?
Thanks for answers.
Bye.
Hello.
Don't connect another power supply to the DC connector of the rev burner. Only use the 12V 3A power supply, connected as indicated in the picture I linked previously
The current rating of the power supply is the maximum current it is able to provide to the dashboard. But the dashboard will only use the amount it needs. So you could use a 12V 3000000A power supply with no problems, apart from cost.
Cheers
Cristiano
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hey nescafe nice sim u have there, do you mind sharing some measurements or a plan sheet? i want to make another sim like yours very soon.
Thanks Joe
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sorry buddy but all plans are in my head....basically just made it up as i went along...however i will give you some tips...make sure you get the monitor height correct and make sure you leave enough room to be able to adjust your pedals...
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what about the seat height and width of the whole sim and the length that would be help
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honestly mate you will need to make your own measurements because we are all different sizes and we all have different seating positions
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Hey matey. I did mine by taking the measurements from my real car. Get your seat where you're happiest with it then take measurements for all the important things (middle of each of the pedal faces, centre of steering wheel, top of gear stick, back middle of seat etc)
Pick one point (I picked the floor directly under the brake pedal, but it can be anything) then take x, y and z differences for each item. eg the steering wheel might be 300mm forward, 10mm to the left and 700mm up from this point.
As Nescafe said build in as much adjustment as you can and you won't go far wrong.
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Thanks guys for the tips
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Hello Nescafe37,
Finally, I'm going to have a 156 2.5 V6 instrument cluster, and I want to know if you can give me the wiring diagrams of the 156 cluster, or if you can give me photos to the back of the cluster because I want to see your plugs please.
I salute once again your work that I find beautiful.
Cristiano thank you also has to offer these great products.
Bye.
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hiya matey...make sure you buy the plugs that go into the back of the cluster...will make things a lot easier..
Connector A, 16-way
1, Earth
2, N.C.
3, Check module warning light test
4, Central module warning light test
5, Seat belt warning light
6, N.C.
7, Outdoor temperature signal input
8, N.C.
9, Direct supply
10, Ignition-operated supply
11, Speedometer signal input
12, Central module lighting
13, Water in diesel filter warning light
14, Speedometer signal output (N.C.)
15, Speedometer signal output (to i.e. control unit)
16, Speedometer signal output (to air conditioner control unit)
Connector B, 12-way
1, Heater plugs warning light
2, Passenger Air Bag disabled warning light
3, Rev counter warning light test
4, Rev counter module lighting
5, Side light signal
6, Lighting dimmer signal
7, N.C.
8, N.C.
9, N.C.
10, N.C.
11, Brake pad wear warning light
12, Trip counter reset signal
Rev Counter:
Connector A, 20-way
1, Right rear side light
2, Left front side light output
3, Side light signal
4, Left rear fog lamp signal
5, Brake light signal
6, Side light for trailer
7, Rear fog lamp for trailer
8, Dipped beam enablement
9, Left rear side light
10, Direct power supply for check (left branch)
11, Left number plate light
12, Right number plate light
13, Right brake light
14, Earth
15, Supply controlled by the ignition
16, Direct supply for check (right branch)
17, Right rear fog lamp
18, Left brake light
19, Brake light for trailer
20, Right front side light
Connector B, 16-way
1, Rear fog lamps warning light
2, Trailer direction indicators warning light
3, Rev counter module lighting
4, Main beam headlamps warning light
5, Low oil pressure warning light
6, Engine rpm signal input
7, Recharging warning light
8, Engine rpm signal output
9, Left direction indicators warning light
10, Rev counter module warning light test
11, N.C.
12, Automatic transmission display (N.C.)
13, N.C.
14, Fog lamp warning light
15, Fuel injection/EOBD fault warning light
16, Right turn signal warning light
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Hi nescafe,
Where did you source the switches from? I'm looking into building a Peugeot 306 dash as I'm a massive fan of them :)
I'm planning on it being quite a complete build, incorporating working dash lights (if possible), for example the handbrake light etc.
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pro shift does it m8 and a button box for extra switches
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is there a program out there to draw your simulator as a plan sheet and measurments.
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Hi nescafe,
Where did you source the switches from? I'm looking into building a Peugeot 306 dash as I'm a massive fan of them :)
I'm planning on it being quite a complete build, incorporating working dash lights (if possible), for example the handbrake light etc.
I am sure the 306 is a cable driven speedo mate so that wont work..i might be mistaken but im sure the cable so you better check first...The extra switches i bought from ebay and they are only used to turn my wheel on/off,,Turn the simdisplay on/off and turn my GIMAX on/off...And the big red hazard warning switch you see in my pictures is connected to my dashboard lights..Although i also have Leo Bodnar board to connect extra buttons and switches but i have not got around to fitting it yet
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Hmmm, will have to look into it as think the later phases might not be cable driven.
Is this the board you mention? http://www.leobodnar.com/products/SLI-M/
I would start my own build thread, but I'm not going to be building anything for a few months! :P
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Hello,
Thanks for that list Nescafe, it will be more easier for me to do the good plugs.
Can you just say the number of trips you used especially for the +12 V and earth.
What type of power supply have you used ?
Thanks a lot. Bye.
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I have used to power supplies that Christiano recomends and sells on the main site matey...As for the trips??? I dont really understand what you mean buddy?
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Hello,
Thanks for your answer. What I wanted to say before is that:
How many son 12V and earth have you connected to the speedometer and tachometer ?
What are the numbers of the plugs on cluster you have used for plugs the + and - outputs of the revburner ?
What is the number of the plugs for the light of the tachometer and speedometer because I want to put switches for light ?
Thanks.
Bye.
Connector A, 16-way
1, Earth
2, N.C.
3, Check module warning light test
4, Central module warning light test
5, Seat belt warning light
6, N.C.
7, Outdoor temperature signal input
8, N.C.
9, Direct supply
10, Ignition-operated supply
11, Speedometer signal input
12, Central module lighting
13, Water in diesel filter warning light
14, Speedometer signal output (N.C.)
15, Speedometer signal output (to i.e. control unit)
16, Speedometer signal output (to air conditioner control unit)
Connector B, 12-way
1, Heater plugs warning light
2, Passenger Air Bag disabled warning light
3, Rev counter warning light test
4, Rev counter module lighting
5, Side light signal
6, Lighting dimmer signal
7, N.C.
8, N.C.
9, N.C.
10, N.C.
11, Brake pad wear warning light
12, Trip counter reset signal
Rev Counter:
Connector A, 20-way
1, Right rear side light
2, Left front side light output
3, Side light signal
4, Left rear fog lamp signal
5, Brake light signal
6, Side light for trailer
7, Rear fog lamp for trailer
8, Dipped beam enablement
9, Left rear side light
10, Direct power supply for check (left branch)
11, Left number plate light
12, Right number plate light
13, Right brake light
14, Earth
15, Supply controlled by the ignition
16, Direct supply for check (right branch)
17, Right rear fog lamp
18, Left brake light
19, Brake light for trailer
20, Right front side light
Connector B, 16-way
1, Rear fog lamps warning light
2, Trailer direction indicators warning light
3, Rev counter module lighting
4, Main beam headlamps warning light
5, Low oil pressure warning light
6, Engine rpm signal input
7, Recharging warning light
8, Engine rpm signal output
9, Left direction indicators warning light
10, Rev counter module warning light test
11, N.C.
12, Automatic transmission display (N.C.)
13, N.C.
14, Fog lamp warning light
15, Fuel injection/EOBD fault warning light
16, Right turn signal warning light
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very beautiful work, I am looking for one, car dashboard, to mount mine too
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nice build there mate , just a quick question for you, is it possible to just use an alfa156 speedo on its own with a revburner?
or do the tachos requier that you have the matchin rev tach for it to work?,
my thinkin is i already have a rev burner and a nice aftermarket rev tacho, so im wanting a top speed display, but im not likin the digital ones to b e honest,
i can get my hands on just an alfa 156 speedo with no rev clock pritty cheap so i was going to go down this route, i just wanted to know if its visable or not?
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nice build there mate , just a quick question for you, is it possible to just use an alfa156 speedo on its own with a revburner?
or do the tachos requier that you have the matchin rev tach for it to work?,
my thinkin is i already have a rev burner and a nice aftermarket rev tacho, so im wanting a top speed display, but im not likin the digital ones to b e honest,
i can get my hands on just an alfa 156 speedo with no rev clock pritty cheap so i was going to go down this route, i just wanted to know if its visable or not?
If I remember correctly the rev counter and speedometer of the Alfa 156 are two separate units.
Regards
Cristiano
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hi again cristiano, yes they are two seperate units so it should work, i just wanted to confirm this 1st,
i think ill be going down that route as its a tried and tested method and workes prity well, and i can get all the info i need from the forum and many helpfull members
so exsect another order for a rev burner some time soon!
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Yes they are two seperate units matey..Let me know when you get the speedo and i will send you the wiring diagram ok dude?
Cheers Chris
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thanks dude should be here anyday now, cant order my other revburner untill next week though :(
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Hello I too have a counter that I want to connect a card you do to burn reb
has told me how you do to me because aluminum counter on the card and the PC via the log reconue simdash but as I did the test nothing happens on the meter tower
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hi there nescafe, ive just recived my alfaromeo speedo is there anychance you could send me the wiring diagram?
(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2560/img0325jn.th.jpg) (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/img0325jn.jpg/)
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7695/img0326tv.th.jpg) (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/img0326tv.jpg/)
now i didnt get any plugs with the speedo, ive found some but the guy wants £30 + vat for them the speedo only cost me £10 deliverd lol so i wont be buying the plugs,
now ihave some jumper cables with plugs on the end, like the ones cristiano sells on the shop, theses fit so im just gong to use those i think,
i just need that wiring diagram or a picture of the rear of your speedo as i have no clue to which pin is which :)
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Well time for a upgrade lol.. This is my cockpit now as it stands.. Got something very special in mind.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/nescafe37/cockpit%20build/P1020385.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/nescafe37/media/cockpit%20build/P1020385.jpg.html)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/nescafe37/cockpit%20build/P1020384.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/nescafe37/media/cockpit%20build/P1020384.jpg.html)