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Title: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 03, 2013, 01:34:10 pm
Hi everybody.

Finally i present my WIP dashboard. Just waiting for the most important thing. Pro-Gauge  :D

Some pics about test:

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HMC91/20130603040756lls_zpsunc0s9r6.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HMC91/20130603040733lls_zpssfsqh1xc.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HMC91/20130603040719lls_zpsuouulpog.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HMC91/20130603040653lls_zpsxyibwoup.jpg)

And Now:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img585/1645/k8rz.jpg) 


(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HMC91/6od4_zpsbjbk50kd.jpg)


And this is how the "thing" runs ;)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HMC91/g5kz_zpsttozbnpk.jpg)

It's a little dusty i know.


And a video testing Cluster and OBC (all vídeos):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD8Sa4A2JOs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD8Sa4A2JOs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFcNp0lTmX4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFcNp0lTmX4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbnNMSFH2pQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbnNMSFH2pQ)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4noSBMaJoo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4noSBMaJoo)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJdUCRNf-rc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJdUCRNf-rc)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 03, 2013, 02:44:47 pm
Very nice  :) inform us when it's over...
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 03, 2013, 05:32:38 pm
I'm only concern with the fuel and temp gauge working. Can you tell me a way to test them?
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 03, 2013, 06:52:09 pm
x17 (blue connector) pin 18 is coolant temperature sensor (temp gauge).
For fuel I don't no yet because I don't ordered Pro Gauge yet but I will investigate and report soon...
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: mr.w on June 03, 2013, 07:28:57 pm
What wheel are you planning on using in your cockpit?
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 03, 2013, 09:19:06 pm
x17 (blue connector) pin 18 is coolant temperature sensor (temp gauge).
For fuel I don't no yet because I don't ordered Pro Gauge yet but I will investigate and report soon...

Yes i know but the cluster have 2pins for temp sensor,  one is input and another is output.

What wheel are you planning on using in your cockpit?

I have a logitech g27 wheel to complete the set
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Wolfi M on June 03, 2013, 09:30:45 pm
Hi

Nice to see that many people use the BMW gauges :-)

Follow the other Thread for this maybe that can u help


http://www.symprojects.com/forum/index.php?topic=38.45          Post "54" is the answer about the temp gauges....

I use the pro gauge and it works FINE :-) but only the FUEL make troubles :-( but i will find a way to make that work ........

I will post when i find a way ........

nice greets from austria

lg Wolfi
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Wolfi M on June 03, 2013, 09:37:47 pm
hi again :-)

which Pin or coulor of wire u use for Ignition function (on video is that @17sec ) pls can u tell me this .....

Maybe u can make a wire diagramm or a pic which pins are use for some function


Here a pic of My BMW E36 Cockpit :-)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 04, 2013, 12:47:37 am
In fuel and temp gauges i'm talking about the signal because the own cluster send the signal to a variable resistor and returns to the cluster again.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img407/4665/54285535.jpg)



I can't tell you the colour because i don't have the right connector.

(http://i27.servimg.com/u/f27/16/17/86/37/bmw_e311.jpg)


But:

White Connector:

Pin 2: cluster light / dimmer
Pin 19: - to ground
Pin 20: RPM Sensor signal
Pin 22: +12v (30) permanent (hot all times)
Pin 23: +12v (15) use a switch to on/off (hot in run)
Pin 24: - to ground

Blue Connector:

Pin 3: - to ground
Pin 4: +12v (15) use a switch to on/off (hot in run)
Pin 5: +12v (15) use a switch to on/off (hot in run)
Pin 15: the same as the described (image)
Pin 16: +12v (R) use a switch to on/off (hot in run)

Black Connector:

Pin 3: - to ground
Pin 4 : Speed sensor signal

with some research i knew the +12v (30) needs always power, and now i'm trying to figure out the difference of the +12v (15) and +12v (R) but i think it varies depending on the position in the ignition.

IGN position:

0: off
1: acc
2: run
3: start

If i discover i post it ASAP.

Edit:

+12v (R) is position 1 (acc)
+12v (15) is position 2 and 3 (run & start)

So if am i right according the diagram with this you can test your cluster. (you need 2 switch's to do this, acc only for 1 switch, and run & start to the other)

+12v (30) permanent power
+12v (R) position 1 (acc)
+12v (15) position 2 and 3 (run & start)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img11/9703/43624068.jpg)

Step 1. Press and hold the mileage reset button.

Step 2. Put key into ignition switch and turn position #1

Your LCD display will show something like this "tESt 01"

Step 3. Once "tESt 01" is shown, let go of reset button and the IC
(Instrument Cluster) will go through
some test cycles. Numbers will be shown and here's what they mean:

1st display: BMW PART NUMBER (6 digits)
2nd display: CODE NUMBER (5 digits) Internal Coding Plug #
3rd display: K NUMBER (4 digits)
4th display: CHASSIS NUMBER (5 digits) this is part of your VIN
5th display: SOFTWARE VERSION (3 digits)
6th display: REVISION INDEX (2 digits) Hardware #

After all 6 displays are finished, an analog gauge test will be performed.
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 04, 2013, 01:43:18 am
x17 (blue connector) pin 18 is coolant temperature sensor (temp gauge).
For fuel I don't no yet because I don't ordered Pro Gauge yet but I will investigate and report soon...

Yes i know but the cluster have 2pins for temp sensor,  one is input and another is output.

Connect only the input (pin 18) to Pro Gauge for temp gauge ;)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 04, 2013, 02:35:04 am
Connect only the input (pin 18) to Pro Gauge for temp gauge ;)

And pin 17 connect to ground? Or leave without connection?

Out of context is some way to test with a potenciometer or something the temp gauge?

Thanks btw for the help.
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 04, 2013, 03:41:56 am
Connect only the input (pin 18) to Pro Gauge for temp gauge ;)

And pin 17 connect to ground? Or leave without connection?

Yes,pin 17 leave without connection
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 04, 2013, 03:48:17 am
Here is the scheme that I connected except that I'm from one rev burner connected + and - to another rev burner

(http://i81.servimg.com/u/f81/16/17/86/37/bmw_e310.jpg)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 04, 2013, 03:57:38 am
 Thanks Jadran.

My scheme works the same way as your's with some upgrades "trying to turn more realistic" to do funcions like the cluster test for example.

When i have my pro gauge i'll show the results ;)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 04, 2013, 03:58:04 am

Edit:

+12v (30) permanent power
+12v (R) position 1 (acc)
+12v (15) position 2 and 3 (run & start)

With this you can only run a cluster!
NEVER used as a key in the game unless the button box (without power).

I hope that you know  :)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 04, 2013, 04:40:44 am

Edit:

+12v (30) permanent power
+12v (R) position 1 (acc)
+12v (15) position 2 and 3 (run & start)

With this you can only run a cluster!
NEVER used as a key in the game unless the button box (without power).

I hope that you know  :)

Yes i know :D this is only for the cluster + obc.

I'm a electronic technician, and it's useful separate a power circuit from a control circuit, or else we will be throwing money to trash right? :D
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 05, 2013, 04:49:32 pm
Here is full sheme of wiring diagram..
(http://i81.servimg.com/u/f81/16/17/86/37/bmw_3_10.png)

Full image: http://www.mediafire.com/view/mh8htsofgefcpbn/BMW_3_Series_E36_-_Instrument_Cluster_Electrical_Wiring_Diagram.png
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 05, 2013, 06:51:27 pm
Today I disassembled everything to clean dust so here's a real scheme of my connection

(http://i81.servimg.com/u/f81/16/17/86/37/bmw_e311.jpg)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 10, 2013, 10:11:25 pm
Jadran i had almost done and working before the post but thanks anyway for share the information. I'm still waiting for the pro-gauge to test everything.

Just need some work on the steering wheel support and pedals.

Greetings from Portugal.
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 11, 2013, 02:22:28 pm
The waiting is over. Cluster tested with pro-gauge.

Speed, RPM, Oil press and Oil temp works fine.

Fuel and water temp don't move the needle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJdUCRNf-rc

Edit:

Speed, RPM and Oil Temp is working on rFactor. Later i post the video ;)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 15, 2013, 12:04:39 pm
Nice   ;D

Try connect pin 21 on white connector for fuel consumption
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Wolfi M on June 15, 2013, 03:49:23 pm
Hello

I hope thats right way to make work the temp gauges .....

Pin 16 on blue connector must be to +12V than my temp gauges will work !!! :-)

Connect only the input (pin 18) to Pro Gauge for temp gauge   8)

my temp gauge is now working correctly ! but i have no time to test with many Mods in rfactor also i can say my fav Mod is working !!

nice greets Wolfi
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 15, 2013, 07:09:57 pm
Look few post above  ;)
Pin 16 is connect to 12V but I did not yet ordered Pro Gauge (wait some money  ;D) so I can´t say for sure that everything will work as expected
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Wolfi M on June 15, 2013, 07:23:58 pm
ups sry i see :-)

Only the fuel gauge make problems :-( there will not work @ the moment  :'( but i will test
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 16, 2013, 08:33:30 am
my temp gauge is now working but i doubt it's working well. Can u tell me your config on SimDash (calibration of the gauge and the values to 0%, 25%, 50% and 100%)?

Because mine i preset the min value 40,00 Cº and max value 120,00 Cº and when the temperature get's 40 Cº the gauge keep climbing to the max and don't move anymore (up or down).

Or my gauge have some problema and don't work right.

(i test my pro-gauge and all outputs works nice and smooth)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Wolfi M on June 17, 2013, 04:52:14 pm
Hello

i can write u the correct parameters next weekend my symprojekt is on a other place iam working (mo-Fr) :-)

but this parameter all under 20% that is right ......

I thing the 120 C are 10-15% and the other all smaler !

Nice greets
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 18, 2013, 11:57:45 am
Hello

i can write u the correct parameters next weekend my symprojekt is on a other place iam working (mo-Fr) :-)

but this parameter all under 20% that is right ......

I thing the 120 C are 10-15% and the other all smaler !

Nice greets

Thanks for the reply. I'm waiting for the parameters to test and see if work's right or my cluster have some kind of problem ;)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 18, 2013, 01:25:29 pm
It would not be the first time, the same thing happened to me when I started with the first gauge cluster, speed needle did not work and then I replaced for another gauge cluster...
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Wolfi M on June 22, 2013, 10:39:09 pm
hello


here my settings for watertemp
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 23, 2013, 04:30:59 am
Thanks wolfi it was a big big help. my problem has the scale, and now is working perfect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4noSBMaJoo
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: sammy4413 on June 23, 2013, 12:56:41 pm
Nice   ;D

Try connect pin 21 on white connector for fuel consumption


or connect the gauge consumer ? RPM ​​signal or Speed signal?
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 23, 2013, 03:51:07 pm
The pin 21 of white connector goes to the OBC.  The pin for fuel gauge is an output. I test several ways and nothing works. At this moment only the fuel gauge don't work.
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: sammy4413 on June 23, 2013, 08:24:09 pm
What is OBC ??
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on June 23, 2013, 08:53:31 pm
BMW On Board Computer (OBC)  ;)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: sammy4413 on June 23, 2013, 09:07:50 pm
ok :) i know pin 21 is gauge consomer because where i connect in pro gauge or revburner ?? in signal RPM or signal Speed or...
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: sammy4413 on June 27, 2013, 06:55:11 pm
up!
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on June 28, 2013, 12:57:21 am
sammy i don't understand what you want. Can be more precisely to help you?
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: sammy4413 on July 14, 2013, 03:26:49 pm
sammy i don't understand what you want. Can be more precisely to help you?


or connect the wire the fuel consumption ? please
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on November 02, 2013, 03:19:27 am
A little update ;)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img585/1645/k8rz.jpg) 


(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HMC91/6od4_zpsbjbk50kd.jpg)


And this is how the "thing" runs ;)

(http://)

It's been difficult find some time to work in the simulador, but is some progress. For now all gauges are fully functional.

More to come....
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: gauthier on December 31, 2013, 12:03:38 pm
Hello,

I have exactly the same configuration, but I can not make the fuel gauge work  :'(

Can you tell me how you did it to make it work please? ???
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on January 01, 2014, 04:18:40 pm
Hello,

I have exactly the same configuration, but I can not make the fuel gauge work  :'(

Can you tell me how you did it to make it work please? ???

On the black connector don't put pin 3 to ground.

Connect only pin 1 to fuel sensor and the pin 4 to speed sensor.

If don't work you need to change the parameters in simdash
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: paulieGTR on January 10, 2014, 12:38:34 pm
snip...
Today I disassembled everything...

(http://i81.servimg.com/u/f81/16/17/86/37/bmw_e310.jpg)
Hi Jadran.  :)
Hi H.G  :)

Yesterday i picked up a BMW 3.18ti cluster, i managed to get the White, Blue and Black wire loom plugs included.
Just a quick.??

When i look @ the rear of the clocks from left to right, i see the white socket on the left and moving across i then see the blue and black socket.
But when i look closely at the sockets i notice that the pin position numbers don't match the picture above.

ie. White Socket above:
Top... from the left, pic has pin #01 and #14   ---  mine from the top left is #26 and #13

Bottom... from the left, pic has pin #13 and #26   ---  mine from the bottom left is #14 and #01.

Sooo...
Should i make the connections using the exact "pin numbers" above, not caring where the actual pins are located on my sockets.??

Or should i make the connections of the wires using the exact, positions above, not caring where the pin numers are on my sockets.??

I hope this makes sense mafrien'.

tyvmia...
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: Jadran on January 10, 2014, 03:23:30 pm
Do not let confuse the numbers on cluster and numbers on the connector ...
Connect how shown on picture if you have all 3 connectors (If this is a cluster for E36)  ;)


EDIT:
Here is pic for blue connector:

http://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp137/steve23002/dash3.jpg#.UtARYLSOOUk

and black

http://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=http://www.atcy66.dsl.pipex.com/bmw/obc/4.jpg#.UtARRbSOOUk

If you disassembling connector will see numbers on connector..

EDIT 2:

If you do not have the connectors used numbers as printed on the cluster
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on January 10, 2014, 06:50:25 pm
Use the pinout of these pictures that i took to help others users

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HMC91/34gq_zpstpczjf8z.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HMC91/brcm_zpsuyportko.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HMC91/z460_zpsphyya9np.jpg)


Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: paulieGTR on January 12, 2014, 09:27:23 pm
Do not let confuse the numbers on cluster and numbers on the connector ...

If you disassembling connector will see numbers on connector..

EDIT 2:

If you do not have the connectors used numbers as printed on the cluster
Thankyou Jadran, that clears things up for me. :)


Use the pinout of these pictures that i took to help others users
Thankyou also H.G.

What can i say... the pics are awesome and very clear.

Again guys, thankyou both for your help. 8) :)

EDIT:
Ok guys, i have a slight problem... :-[

I Connected only pin 1 to fuel sensor and the pin 4 to speed sensor(black connector), but the fuel level gauge sometimes moves and then seems stuck.
So for me the fuel gauge is not functioning properly, everything else does.

Do i need the OBC to make fuel consumption needle work.??
Anyone have the fuel level gauge settings for 25,50,75% etc. of cfg screen in progauge.??

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thankyou everyone for all the help you've already given.  :)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: RAVEN on January 15, 2014, 01:06:30 am
Hi, to everyone!!

About the fuel level gauge, I used a resistor between the pin 1 - 3 of black connector;
470 ohm = 100%,
235 ohm (470 x 2 parallel) = 50%,
156 ohm (400 x 3 parallel) = 25%,
or you can easily use a 1Kohm linear potentiometer.

To set the temp level gauge around 50%, you can connect between the pin 17 - 18 of blu connector, a 750 ohm (1.5kohm x 2 parallel) or a 10Khm linea potentiomenter.



Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on January 15, 2014, 02:09:29 am
Hi, to everyone!!

About the fuel level gauge, I used a resistor between the pin 1 - 3 of black connector;
470 ohm = 100%,
235 ohm (470 x 2 parallel) = 50%,
156 ohm (400 x 3 parallel) = 25%,
or you can easily use a 1Kohm linear potentiometer.

To set the temp level gauge around 50%, you can connect between the pin 17 - 18 of blu connector, a 750 ohm (1.5kohm x 2 parallel) or a 10Khm linea potentiomenter.
And use that why? For test proposes? Because to connect to pro-gauge you don't need any resistor
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: RAVEN on January 15, 2014, 09:59:37 pm
Unfortunally I don't have pro-gauge system, so for a while this is my actual solution.
My intention was to be helpful for those member who already buy 2 Rev burner and would like to see something else move.
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on January 15, 2014, 10:12:37 pm
Unfortunally I don't have pro-gauge system, so for a while this is my actual solution.
My intention was to be helpful for those member who already buy 2 Rev burner and would like to see something else move.


Like i said, it can be used for test proposes. but they don't move with game data
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on March 13, 2014, 11:11:58 pm


EDIT:
Ok guys, i have a slight problem... :-[

I Connected only pin 1 to fuel sensor and the pin 4 to speed sensor(black connector), but the fuel level gauge sometimes moves and then seems stuck.
So for me the fuel gauge is not functioning properly, everything else does.

Do i need the OBC to make fuel consumption needle work.??
Anyone have the fuel level gauge settings for 25,50,75% etc. of cfg screen in progauge.??

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thankyou everyone for all the help you've already given.  :)


The fuel consumption need info from the ECU so it's impossible. But with a M3 cluster you can use that with oil temp.
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: bruzski on August 20, 2014, 12:40:57 am
hello everyone :) i just registered here but i'm wondering if the fuel gauge issue has been solved ???

can someone give me the correct schematics incl. the led bulb mod.
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on January 22, 2016, 09:14:47 am
hello everyone :) i just registered here but i'm wondering if the fuel gauge issue has been solved ???

can someone give me the correct schematics incl. the led bulb mod.

i solve the problem long time ago  ;D ;D

Video testing pro-gauge and arduino with ETS2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R26cdbtFx_0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R26cdbtFx_0)
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: thomasdiaz1201 on September 26, 2016, 09:55:04 pm
Hi. the gauge of speed and rpm inputs only work on rpm and spd. if I plug in another entry not work. Will my chip is broken?
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on November 09, 2016, 07:18:18 am
Hi. the gauge of speed and rpm inputs only work on rpm and spd. if I plug in another entry not work. Will my chip is broken?

the speed and rpm gauge is suposed to connect only in rpm and spd. so it's working fine.
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: kntkatt on November 13, 2016, 12:29:31 am
hi fellas got all my guages working on an e36 cluster apart from fuel does this only work in conjunction with auduino board ?

many thanks

kntkatt
Title: Re: My WIP dashboard / cockpit
Post by: H.Guedes on November 16, 2016, 01:05:04 pm
hi fellas got all my guages working on an e36 cluster apart from fuel does this only work in conjunction with auduino board ?

many thanks

kntkatt

Hi. The fuel gauge works with the pro-gauge like the temp gauge and so, and so...

i think some posts up, i explain what is needed to put the fuel gauge working