DLC-247

[Geppetto]

Hi,
I can have the measures of DLC-247?
Do you have a dxf file of Shift light array and Gear indicator or cad design?
Thanks and happy holidays to all!

[Cristiano]

Hello.
I have attached two files with size and position of the PCB and connectors, for the DLC-247 and Shift Light Array.

You have to download the SPrint Layout Viewer to open the files:

http://www.abacom-online.de/uk/html/dateien/demos/viewlayout50.exe

Thanks
Cristiano

[Geppetto]

Thanks!!

[Hampsta]

Hi, received my DLC and displays etc today, very awsome. Took a little while to get the configuration on the DLC shift array sorted as the LEDs don't appear to be connected in any particular order. Ie I would have thought the ones along the top would have been setup in order 1,2,3.....12,13 but to make the array work I had to set it up like 1,2,3,6,5,4......13,11,12 sort of thing.
Anyway I've got two fo the 6 digit screens connected also but I think I'm going to have to have a serious think before I can figure out how to attach the third.
I now have the Rev burner, GI max, SPI-D, Proshift and DLC-247 connected and once I get a insturment cluster I'll hook up the other Rev Burner, yeehaaaa. All I got to do now is find some uses for the 10 LEDs I have spare hooked up to the Proshift lol.
Anyway on to my question. I'm running Rfacter and the current lap time is only updating to the DLC every half second, do you know how I can change this so it updates quicker like the demo video?

Thanks very much, absolutely awsome products and support.

Cheers
Ricky

[Cristiano]

Hi, received my DLC and displays etc today, very awsome. Took a little while to get the configuration on the DLC shift array sorted as the LEDs don't appear to be connected in any particular order. Ie I would have thought the ones along the top would have been setup in order 1,2,3.....12,13 but to make the array work I had to set it up like 1,2,3,6,5,4......13,11,12 sort of thing.
Anyway I've got two fo the 6 digit screens connected also but I think I'm going to have to have a serious think before I can figure out how to attach the third.
I now have the Rev burner, GI max, SPI-D, Proshift and DLC-247 connected and once I get a insturment cluster I'll hook up the other Rev Burner, yeehaaaa. All I got to do now is find some uses for the 10 LEDs I have spare hooked up to the Proshift lol.
Anyway on to my question. I'm running Rfacter and the current lap time is only updating to the DLC every half second, do you know how I can change this so it updates quicker like the demo video?

Thanks very much, absolutely awsome products and support.

Cheers
Ricky

Hello.
There is a picture on the Shift Light Array product page which tries to explain how the LEDs must be connected:

http://www.symprojects.com/shop/images/325/sli-measure.jpg

I will try to make this thing clearer.

What is the problem with the third 6digit display? is it because some of the pins are already in use by another display? if so, I have been making a kind of pin connector-duplicator what allows more connectors to be connected to the same LEDs. it will take 3 weeks minimum to be available, but I can send you one free if you can wait.

Regarding rFactor, there is nothing you can do, the current lap time is updated only twice every second. in the video I was using GTR2.
What I usually do is to display the current lap time as minutes and second (mm.ss)

Regards
Cristiano

[Hampsta]

Thanks for the quick reply. Sorry I didn't see the lettering on the picture before. Makes perfect sense now lol. There is nothing wrong with the third display, like you said the pins are already used and I'm scratching my head a little when it comes to adding the third. The wires them selves are no problem I'll just alter some of the extra leads I purchased, it's just what pins to put them on.
I know to get the third one up and running I need to use two sets of displays from A,B and C as each bank is running 6 at the moment but that's about it. I'll get it sorted eventually.
I will change the lap time to mins and seconds ans see how that goes.

Thanks

[Cristiano]

Thanks for the quick reply. Sorry I didn't see the lettering on the picture before. Makes perfect sense now lol. There is nothing wrong with the third display, like you said the pins are already used and I'm scratching my head a little when it comes to adding the third. The wires them selves are no problem I'll just alter some of the extra leads I purchased, it's just what pins to put them on.
I know to get the third one up and running I need to use two sets of displays from A,B and C as each bank is running 6 at the moment but that's about it. I'll get it sorted eventually.
I will change the lap time to mins and seconds ans see how that goes.

Thanks

I see the problem with the connectors now. you can't connect the third display. it's because 3 displays share pin 1-8 (on the back of the 6-digit display) and the other 3 displays share pin 9-16. you can still use the available displays on the DLC-247, but only using LEDs or single displays, not multiple one that share connections.

[Hampsta]

So does that mean I can't use the shift array and three six digit displays?
The best I can do is 2x 6 digit, half of the next 6 digit and full shift array including gear indicator. Can't get the other half of the 6 digit connected.
I have currently got the three 6 digit displays connected which use all pins except for pin 20 on each bank. Is there a way I can connect the full array to this? Looking at the total number of displays this can handle it should be possible but I just can't get it.

Thanks

[Cristiano]

So does that mean I can't use the shift array and three six digit displays?
The best I can do is 2x 6 digit, half of the next 6 digit and full shift array including gear indicator. Can't get the other half of the 6 digit connected.
I have currently got the three 6 digit displays connected which use all pins except for pin 20 on each bank. Is there a way I can connect the full array to this? Looking at the total number of displays this can handle it should be possible but I just can't get it.

Thanks

Correct.
you can't have everything working at the same time. The problem is not the total number of displays but that the displays share a number of pins. and this limits the way they can be connected to the controller. I am adding some pictures to the website to explain this better. I didn'y think about this limit initially.

[gh69]

I'm confused by this 
The demo video of the DLC-247 shows it running at 'full capacity' with the gear shift array, 3 digit speedo, and 3x 6 digit displays, but now you are saying it cannot handle it? How did the setup in the video work?

I bought separate LEDs rather than the shift array so I could build one in a different shape, am I going to end up using more connections on the DLC than the shift array does and not have space for much else? I was hoping to add 2 6 digit displays, to my existing single, triple and 15 LEDs?

[Hampsta]

Yeah I'm a little confused now as well. I've brought the whole package as I was told it will work but now I'm told it won't. One thing I think I have figured out is the shift array on the video sin't the premade shift array Christiano is selling, I think it's seperate LEDs instead.
My issue is I'm trying to use the array which shares pins for everything. I think in your case you will be ok as you have a seperate pin for every LED and you will then have to create some double connectors to join those LEDs to the board. Each LED will have it's own pin 1-16 on one side of the LED and thin 'I think' all share pin 20 on the DLC which does not need to be occupied by the 6 digit displays as they only use 19 pins each.
Well that is now my understanding anyway.

[Cristiano]

I'm confused by this 
The demo video of the DLC-247 shows it running at 'full capacity' with the gear shift array, 3 digit speedo, and 3x 6 digit displays, but now you are saying it cannot handle it? How did the setup in the video work?

I bought separate LEDs rather than the shift array so I could build one in a different shape, am I going to end up using more connections on the DLC than the shift array does and not have space for much else? I was hoping to add 2 6 digit displays, to my existing single, triple and 15 LEDs?

i have added an extra picture in the product pages for the 6-digit and 3-digit displays and for the shift light array, with a schema of how these displays connect to they pins. this may help understand the issue you have.

The dashboard in the video is using all "single" displays. this are flexibility because the pins of each display can be connected to any pins of the DLC-247. if you consider the 3-digit display instead, the pins of thhe three digits share the same pins (see picture in product page). so the three digits will be connected to the same pins of the dlc-247. I hope I have explained well.

Sorry if this wasn't clear from the beginning. if you have bought any displays you can't use, I will buy it back.

If you tell me exactly what displays you have I can tell you what changes you have to do to connect everything. I think if you replage the 3-digit speedometer with 3 single displays you will be fine, but I need to double check with you. I can tell you where to buy the single displays too.

Thank you

[gh69]

I'm still confused  

If the video setup uses single displays, then surely they will still use 8 wires plus common, per display which is far more than there are pins for. The 3 or 6 digit display only use 8 or 16 pins which would be less??

Anyway, I've been studying your diagrams and have a solution which I figure should work, but then again I'm no expert  

Can I tap into the 8 wires from the gear indicator (single digit), with wires from 2 lots of LEDS, and add commons, to in effect make a 3 digit display that uses 1 digit and 16 LEDs , but only 8 wires + 3 commons?? If I can then I can plug the 3 digit display into the remaining 9-16 pins of the same connector, I realise I will have to share some common connections between different display pairs. Will this work okay? It would seem to be the way your shift array does it, but less neat.  If so it will leave me 2 full connectors free. I might just need to purchase a couple of extra 20 way cables to cut up to make splitter cables.

[Cristiano]

Sorry I got a bit lost myself but have a look at this pictures:

http://www.symprojects.com/wp-content/uploads/DLC247_9562/DLC2471.jpg

it displays how the 24 displays connect to the DLC-247

Now consider the connection of the 6-digit display:

http://www.symprojects.com/shop/images/334/6digits.JPG

Now suppose you connect the 6-digit display to connector C.
Pin 1...16 of the display connect to pins 1...16 of the connector.
Suppose pins A, B and C of the display connect to pins 17, 18 and 19 of connector C.

If you check the first picture you will see that the display is taking display n. 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7

Connect C has still available display n. 4 and display n. 8
But display n. 4 and display n. 8 don't share the 8 cathodes (negative pins) because the 8 cathodes of each of these 2 displays go to a different group of pins of connector C. so display 4 and 8 could be connected to 2 single displays, that share no pins (apart the anode (the positive)).

So you could connect the gear indicator to display n. 4 and a set of 8 LEDs to connector n. 8.

This is not exactly your situation but explains how things work.

Does it help?

[gh69]

Yes I see that there will be 2 'spare' displays when a 6 digit is connected because each connector can handle 8 displays, but I would still need to make splitter cables or something, as all 16 pins would be occupied by the 6 digits ? Is that right?

Thanks for the help.